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out today, still no rally for stocks. is it really still all about the fiscal cliff for investors right now? let's talk about that in our clo"closing bell" exchange. steve liesman will have breaking news momentarily. steve, do you have that? >> yes, i do. what we have is a report from the new york fed on consumer finance. what the news shows is that overall, consumer credit outside of real estate is up just a bit. most of that, by the way, is student loan debt, being up about $42 billion inside that $2.7 trillion number. overall, mortgage debt is down and overall debt is down. the basic gist of the details, bill, is that consumer credit continues to decline overall. delinquencies are down and bankruptcies are down. balance sheet repair continues. a little bit more willingness of the consumer to take on some debt and a lot of it -- >> that's very interesting, steve. let me ask you something, david. >> i want to make one more point, which is that when you talk about how much the dow is down today, it should be down more because the rally we didn't have from the better economic news
the late-day selloff? most on the street blaming these words out of washington about fiscal cliff. >> there's been little progress with the republicans, which is a disappointment to me. they've talked some happy talk about doing revenues, but we only have a couple weeks to get something done. so we have to get away from the happy talk and start talking about specific things. >> as we head into the fiscal cliff negotiations, my advice to the president would be seems like our friends on the other side are having some difficulty turning off the campaign. we need to sit down and work this matter out. >> behind closed doors. even with the fiscal cliff looming over the markets, our own jeff cox with cnbc.com says there's a growing bit of optimism about the outlook for next year. take a look at some of the predictions from some of the street's biggest names regarding the s&p 500 for next year. it's quite a chapg for morgan stanley, by the way, whose 2012 forecast was for the s&p to close at 1167 on december 31 of this year. >> wow. they're expecting a mega rally next year. >> he hates having to co
. >>> welcome to "the closing bell." we're at the new york stock exchange. it's as the fiscal cliff turns here on wall street yet again. we're less than an hour away from completing what could wind up being a dramatic comeback on wall street. >> it is feeling like a soap opera. i'm michelle caruso-cabrera. maria bartiromo will be back tomorrow. the dow had been down more than 100 points earlier in the session but came storming back after encouraging fiscal cliff talk from washington. listen. >> it's time for the president and democrats to get serious about the spending problem that our country has. but i'm optimistic that we can continue to work together to avert this crisis and sooner rather than later. >> i believe that both parties can agree on a framework that does that in the coming weeks. in fact, my hope is to get this done before christmas. >> wow. that's optimism. there you go. right now the dow jones industrial average is higher by 72 points. 12,950. the nasdaq is also in positive territory by about 11 points. the s&p 500, and you can see the same intraday pattern all three sessions,
, welcome to "squawk on the street" i'm carl cramer is off today. some word the fiscal cliff negotiations are not getting off to a good start. moderate red arrows. european leaders failed to reach a bailout payment to greece and will try monday. road map starts on the busiest travel day of the year. there are signs it could be a big quarter for airline and travel, but traditional toys look weak. walmart may have protesters outside its doors on friday. >> deer misses earnings, and the market shrugs it off. >> turmoil in israel with a bomb explosion on board a bus today and a rumored cease-fire that never happened. crude is up $1 as the secretary of state has arrived in cairo. a big day full of planes, trains and automobiles with tens of millions of americans set to embark on their holiday weekend journeys. our phil lebeau is in chicago with more on the holiday travel landscape. how painful is it going to be? >> you know, carl f you're traveling, you always need a little more patience thanksgiving weekend. for the airlines, they're keeping their fingers crossed because if you look at a map
lawmakers to get a deal done and avoid the fiscal cliff. >>> next stop, the white house later this afternoon. good afternoon, everybody. i'm tyler mathisen. it is a big day in this national discussion about how washington can avoid the fiscal cliff. some of the senators in the center of the debate will be stopping by. we may hear from some ceos this hour. we do expect to hear from some of them at a press conference later this hour. the president, by the way, weighed in on the debate this morning as well. sue, a busy day down here in washington. >> it sure is, ty. indeed it is here as well. we are going to be joined by a very special guest, noted author and investor nassem taleb. after dropping more than 100 points in the early going, the dow sittingality the highs of the day. it's been an extremely volatile trading session, we're up just about 80 points or so. bob pisani joins me from the floor of the nyse. bob, they're parsing every word coming out of capitol hill and house speaker boehner giving a boost to the markets a bit ago. >> he did. he is a little more optimistic. but we're being bl
to the president's chief economic adviser about the fiscal cliff negotiations as second hour of the "closing bell" gets under way right now. >>> welcome to "closing bell." bill griffeth rejoins us in a moment. no follow-through rally. stocks closing in the red on fiscal cliff fears. dow jones lower by 43 points, 12,966. nasdaq finishes higher by nearly 10, 2,976. and the s&p down almost 3%, 1406. >> the deadline for the fiscal cliff is nearly one month away. if we go over that cliff, russ says some investors are not prepared for that decline. >> he joins us now a long with michael, cnbc contributor for destination wealth management and mary thompson joins us as well. russ, you're saying it's not priced in at this point. what should we be worried about? >> it's not priced in. it's very hard to find much evidence, either from investors or the sell side that people really expect to go over the fiscal cliff. i think what that means is if we get into the end of the year and looks like negotiations are not going forward, we may not solve this before 2013, we're likely to see rise in volatility, likely
. the money they're paying out to shareholders ahead of the fiscal cliff wall to get the dividend ahead of the higher tax rate, so costco joins many come over 100 companies that have done much of the same. paying out dividends so you can pay less taxes. melissa: thank you so much. lori: so thoughtful of the company. president obama invited middle-class americans to the white house to showcase those would be most affected a certain tax cuts are not extended. peter barnes live at the white house. >> 85 middle-class taxpayers joining the president at this event part of a pr push to drive them to extend tax cuts for middle-class taxpayers let them expire for wealthier taxpayers. take a listen. >> optimistically i don't think we will get it done tomorrow. but if everybody here goes out of their way to make their voices heard and spread the word to your friends and families and coworkers and neighbors, i am thoughtfudoubtful that we will t done. >> the president meeting with 14 ceos, second such meeting in the last two weeks including the ceos of yahoo, merck, coca-cola and at&t. and lloyd gl
>>> good morning. i'm chris jansing. two big showdowns today on capitol hill over the fiscal cliff and ambassador susan rice. both of these have been escalating, and on the fiscal cliff especially the clock is definitely ticking. let me give you a rundown of what's happening in the next couple hours. first, ambassador rice is meeting with two republican senators today. right now she's in with susan collins of maine. later she'll meet with bob corker. yesterday, too, she was on the hill defending herself over her comments following the benghazi attack, but the gop leaders only seemed more entrenched in their opposition. in addition, anytime now house democrats and house republicans will hold separate news conferences to talk about their closed-door meet ings on the fiscal cliff. at 11:30, president obama will make remarks at the white house surrounded by middle class americans who he says would see their taxes go up if congress can't make a deal. later he's hosting big business leaders to talk about ways to cut the deficit. joining me to talk about this, "washington post" political
tomorrow. a reversal of fortune on wall street as stocks trade on fiscal cliff comments from president obama and john boehner. here's how we finished the day on wall street, near the highs. up 105 points. 12,983. we'll have technicians looking at this day, seeing if it's a key reversal. the s&p also in positive territory. market driven by headlines and bluster out of washington. yep, that's what investors should expect short term. maybe until january 1st. should they also expect a rally any time soon? according to ryan dieterich, rally could most definitely be headed our way. >> he joins us now to explain along with peter anderson from congress asset management company. bill mcvail from turner investment partners and our very own rick santelli. peter, i have to begin with you. with a name like congress asset management, is congress going to come through for your assets? >> well, i wish i had an inside scoop on that, but unfortunately, we're also left to speculate at this point. but i will say this. what's incredible about this market is the way the market moved up today, it's an instan
to "power lunch." it is a fiscal cliff faceoff. president obama meeting with small business leaders at the white house this afternoon to make his case for higher taxes ahead. we will also go to the home state of a kai player in tey pl talks. >>> the chevy volt struggling to work with car makers aed car buyers. why is general motors doubling down with its big bet in electric and has it jumped its sales? >>> facebook stock up 10% in the past week and 30% the past two months. has it finally turned a corpser? >>> speaking of corners, we have switched corners, tyler, the gentleman that he is, is braving you the snow and the ice in new york city and he is down on the floor of the new york estock exchange. >> a mucky day. not since 2008 has it been so high. more evidence the housing recovery is taking root. prices rising in the big cities but a warning we may head into a recession next year if the u.s. and europe don't solve their fiscal messes. right now the dow industrials a built of a breather down 21 points. >>> meanwhile, 34 days to the fiscal cliff. will a deal be done in time? today
. with all these variables, elections, mideast, fiscal cliff, it seems as though there's only so much flight to safety bid you can push into the marketplace. some traders say that's why you didn't notice. in the old days, it would make a difference. yields are already most accommodative from a nervousness standpoint. i will tell you it was the number one conversation. and even though it really isn't about oil, that's the market everybody is trading to of course kind of play the headlines. >> michael, how about you? how does this impact the way you're allocating capital? >> well, as you know, our strategy is about 45% in cash while the prefunctory -- what we'll have left to boost us higher. i think the market does go higher. here's why. you have $85 billion each month from the federal reserve as far as balance sheet expansion. you have negative real interest rates that will be getting even more negative. i expect inflation to take off significantly early in 2013. >> but if you're sitting on 45% cash, that says to me you're still expecting more downside here. don't you think we've already seen
of raising taxes in the face of the fiscal cliff. >>> courageous until the end. a former mayor in mexico who fearlessly stood up to the drug cartels found murdered. >>> and face-to-face behind closed doors today, u.n. ambassador susan rice takes on one of her sharpest critics, senator john mccain, over her actions after the benghazi attack. good morning and welcome to "early start," i'm deborah feyerick in for john berman. >> really nice to have you. >> i'm so glad to be here. >> i'm zoraida sambolin. it's 5:00 a.m. in the east. first, congress back to work, and back to bickering. in just under 35 days, america hits the fiscal cliff. that triggers severe spending cuts and tax hikes. several top republicans are now defying party politics and signaling a willingness to consider increasing tax revenues to get a budget deal done. but when the lame duck senate got back in session yesterday it sure sounded like the same old broken record. >> the senate has spoken. president obama has spoken. he's promising he will not sign any bill that mortgages our future to pay for handouts to the wealthiest 2%
to talk about whether the fiscal cliff has had any impant on this business, and of course we'll talk about that relationship with sears. back to you. >> thank you very much. >>> is all that spending translating into green for investors? let's collection in with kayla tausche with a "market flash." >> interestingly enough, the retail sector is falling today in the red for most of the big retailers that had those discounts. also was not the big winner even on friday techwise. so the wig question is how much will these discounts actually eat into the potential margins from those blowout sales. if you look, courtney said that department stores were the biggest destination but macy's and nordstrom are two of the biggest laggards on the s&p. costco which had heavily discounted things like the nexus 7, also down today. >>> to congress now which is returning to deal with the biggest economic issue of the day -- that fiscal cliff. john harwood on whether lawmakers are getting any closer to a deal. >>> and coming up on closing bell, pet smart's ceo robert moran will join us live to discuss how his c
one full percentage point. road map for the morning starts off with the fiscal cliff. the president meeting with more ceos today bringing his plan straight to the people culminating in an appearance in a factory later this week. >> costco joins the dividend parting initiating a $7 a share payout on top of the regular dividend. >> and a shake-up at groupon. the board may be considering co-founder being released. >> there's powerball fever. 500 million big ones in the pot. how would you spend the money and how does the fiscal cliff factor in? we'll talk strategy with a former lottery winner. >> we begin with the fiscal cliff. this afternoon president obama is scheduled to meet with several business leaders including ceos of home depot, macy's, caterpillar and at&t but futures are falling with signs there are troubles with negotiations on capitol hill. a market credible deal to solve the cliff is key to economic growth. >> that annual growth idea, that prospect is real in my view if we actually did get a market credible $4 trillion plan. the markets would realize those guys can govern.
a forecast for cyber monday sales. we of course continue to watch the fiscal cliff count down. lawmakers have been trying to convince the naub they are willing to compromise. they return to capitol hill today. >> everything should be on the table. >> bring entitlement reform into the conversation. >> a group of corporate executives are calling on congress to rise above partisan politics to try to find some sort of a solution. we have a lot to talk about with gleg brown and we'll start that in just a moment, but first over to andrew. >>> finance ministers are trying to unfreeze the second bailout package for greece, but first they must agree on how to cut massive debt to a more sustainable level. we'll head to london for details on that. and playing down a deal talk, tom joyce saying his country's currently if talks with at least two firms on a possible sale of its largest business unit. but would only pursue a deal if it created value to shareholders and clients. and mexico's anti-corruption body says it has found no irregularities in its probe of permits given to walmart. two audits still un
of the main drivers behind recent stock moves is the uncertainty about the fiscal cliff. but buckle up, our next two guests say the action could soon get even more interesting. and later today, thousands are going to gather in manhattan's rockefeller center for the lighting of the christmas tree, making any visit to manhattan from here on out basically impossible at night. the annual spectacle has become a world famous symbol of the holidays. i went last night and it was okay. >> i went two nights ago. >> from now on -- >> i couldn't believe two nights ago, there was no traffic. >> it's over now. over. >> this year's tree came from flanders after surviving the strong winds of hurricane sandy. twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligations. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes investm
>>> tonight, battleground america. the looming fiscal cliff and the fight to save the economy. in his first interview since the big romney loss, i will ask reince priebus if his party is out of touch with the country. plus his plans to fix the gop. >>> plus president obama's tax push. he wants the rich to pay up but is it fair? >>> and one of the most influential spiritual leaders in the world, america's pastor, rick warren. he was there at barack obama's first inauguration. will he be there again? we're talking politics, same sex marriage and the "two and a half men" star whose christian conversion has him attacking his own show. this is "piers morgan tonight." >>> good evening. our big story tonight, countdown to financial doomsday, the fiscal cliff and the clock is ticking. 35 days left before this massive sweeping tax hike. america's now at the mercy of washington, hoping that both sides can end the fighting and make a deal. anti-tax champion grover norquist last night told me he's keeping republicans to the no tax increase pledge they made decades ago. but should his part
in washington. the president's fiscal cliff campaign. live pictures of the white house are president obama will meet today with 15 small business owners. the first of a series of meetings this week as the administration puts the pressure on congress to make a deal. the "washington post" reporting the talks are accelerating between president obama and top congressional leaders, including john boehner who was on the phone with the president over the weekend. the white house's pr campaign is being buoyed along by warren buffett who is voicing support for tax hikes for americans just like him. >> i think it would have a great effect in terms of the morale of the middle class who have seen themselves paying high payroll taxes, income taxes and then watched guys like me end up paying a rate that's below that, you know, paid by the people in my office. >> joining me now is wisconsin's republican senator ron johnson. senator, it's great to have you with us this morning. and as we talk about what's taking place in washington, d.c. right now, the million dollar question is all concerns around senato
the fiscal cliff is or what it means for their paycheck. >> they aren't worried. we'll see how numbers pan out. should be a big shopping weekend for the retailers. cyber-monday is around the corner. this is a big three days. it's funny. cyber-monday first came about when people didn't have high-speed internet. they would have to go to work and shop because it wasn't common. now it's common to have high-speed internet access at home and still you have cyber-monday. >> just as a point of note here, street signs are not allowed to say cyber-monday. i don't believe it. it's five bucks in the beer jar. you already owe 15 bucks. >> it's not "street signs." >> we play by a different set of rules here at post 9. >> we play by melissa's rules here at post 9. >> yours too, david. >> mine too. absolutely. we will be watching any number of retailers in terms of stocks. we'll see how some of the laggers do today. jcpenney. we'll be talking to the chief merchandise officer at sears later in the program. interesting to see given how poor the report was there. >> don't we have the former ceo of jcpenney o
a single share of stock even if he was guaranteed the u.s. goes off the fiscal cliff. just wait until you hear who he thinks should be the treasury secretary. >> we'll begin of course with the deal of the day. conagra foods has agreed to acquire ralcorp for $5 billion. $90 a share in cash. 28% premium to the closing price on monday. kayla tausche reported on potential for a deal between the two companies back in 2011. it creates the largest private label food company in north america. this is a big deal. >> yes, it is. it's big in size in terms of what we've seen in this market. look how excited he is. and they finally got it done. it's been one as you pointed out that was around in 2011. they couldn't get it done. that is conagra. they walked away. ralcorp stock price fell dramatically. they split the post cereal division from ralcorp. the two trade separately. so you did have a company here that perhaps became a little more -- i wouldn't say vulnerable. not as if they were committed to selling. the board composition changed. you have had activist shareholder get on there. that was very
is that we get a fix for the fiscal cliff maybe early january, maybe we go over the cliff for a couple days. and i think the political pressure then to fix it would be intense because of the amt shock. normally 4.5 million pay pay alternative minimum taxes. if we didn't fix this on the 2012 income, what's due in 2013 will be additional taxes of several thousand dollars by an extra 28 million households. 33 million instead of 4.5 million on 2012 taxes. if you're going to file your tax return in january and you expect a refind, if you're in the 75,000 to 300,000 income bracket, forget about it if they don't fix that amt. so i think senators will get calls from a good portion of 28 billion households saying what are you doing raising my taxes. i never withheld. are you going to penalize me because you didn't fix what you fix every year? i think that amt shock is going to drive -- if we go over the fiscal cliff, it will drive a very, very fast fix. but then we'll just have a small bargain later this year. there's not going to be a grand war bargain. >> that could be the worst case scenario is j
leader summit last week says that the looming fiscal cliff is already impacting his business. >> right now i'm not that bullish at all. in fact i'd say there's a great uncertainly that's just hanging over the entire economy because we're not confident that our guys can govern anymore. people like me just aren't hiring because we're not confident they can do it. >> well, the white house echoed that concern this morning. a new report says failing to act on the president's plan for middle class americans would freeze the economic recovery. obama's plan includes lower taxes on the first $250,000 earned by every american and tweaking the alternative minimum tax. the white house report estimates that consumer spending would fall by $200 million. now that's more than three times what consumers spent just over this entire holiday weekend. there could be a drag on a range of industries from cars and housing to restaurants and supermarkets, if congress can't reach a deal. and look, pocketbook issues are not the only problem here. carl levin, the democratic senator and chair of the armed services
." >>> president obama ramps up the sales pitch on his fiscal cliff picks. will public pressure push republicans into a deal. one leading house republican who happens to be a former pollster takes a very vocal position on what he thinks his party needs to do and to do now. >>> u.n. ambassador susan rice's attempt to smooth things over doesn't go over as well as she or the white house would have liked. guess who stepped out to vouch for her. none other than a retiring amigo, senator joe lieberman. >>> and new numbers on a hypothetical matchup for 2013 that would be sure to get some votes. what would happen if cory booker took on chris christie. that's not the only big 2013 news this morning on the campaign front. good morning from washington. it's wednesday, november 28, 2012. this is "the daily rundown." i'm chuck todd. right to my first read of the morning. so is washington just running out the clock until about ten days before christmas when everyone smells the jet fuel and gets ready to cut a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff? some days it feels that way. the president is stepping up h
heard of and saying who elected him? >> a lot just know they don't want to go off the fiscal cliff. here is the question. if republicans are building to eliminate deductions for wealthy, make the wealthy pay more, is it too far for democrats to push to get rates increased? what's the difference? >> i think the real problem here with democrats as far as democrats are concerned is how willing to do sbiegts entitlement reform are they? you heard lindsey graham say he is willing to change position on taxes if democrats come to the table with entitlement reform. president obama privately indicated he is willing to stick his neck out and durbin willing to do that and will nor liberal democrats come to the table with entitlement reform. we'll see if that is a bigger dynamic that changes this week. >> what is the danger i guess is one question because there are democrats like patty murray saying it isn't a cliff, it is a slope. >> the danger is a massive sudden drop in government spending and even if you hate government spending, spending does keep the economy going and when you cut that much sp
. >> now, here is the question. has president obama put this s fiscal cliff plan on the table. one member of the senate says it is time for president obama to tell america what this man is. that senator is pat toomey of pennsylvania. he is going to join us here in 25 minutes. next up is the republican party about to lose it's soul and principles over the fiscal cliff debate. why is nobody talking ip t inin media about spending cuts. let's talk to brent great to see you on the show. thank you for coming. let me start with this thought. over this fiscal cliff debate. nobody is cutting spending. everybody is talking about taxes. is the gop losing it's soul and principles? >> no one is being serious in it's debate. the fellow from adi is making sound statements. but he is whistling past the graveyard. there is no problem that the obama budget calls for spending giving us a deficit of $1 trillion per year as far as the eye can see. tax cuts didn't cause this. it is spending that caused this. you go to spending. you have the cpo itself is saying the only way to do this is getting obamacare out
the 23 year olds, look, are you going to stop spending or cut back because of the fiscal cliff. i'm out there enough already. i can't even go to that level of being out there. >> you can't? >> no, i can't. i can't. i'm a fixture at every mall in the country. this mall of america there was a guy. mike didn't work initially. you handled that so well. the mike didn't work initially for mall of america. >> i threw to him on friday. while you're shopping you still managed to watch us. amazing. >> and miss you? it was just like you didn't skip a beat. like you had actually been to a mall. >> you knew i had never been to a mall. >> i know you have been to a mall. >> what mall? >> time warner center is that a mall? >> that counts as a mall. >> i've been in there. there's a j. crew there. >> yes. yes, there is. i think whole foods also had a big week. >> i do shopping for the night before i head home. >> it's antidotal. it's antidotal. it was supposed to be bad. it wasn't bad. that's my take away. i don't want to deviate from that. i saw an upgrade today. restoration. all of these companies have
both hint that a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff is on the way. possibly in time for santa. i asked republican john cornyn whether he thinks that is a reality. >>> and governor romney sits down with the president since the election, actually since the debates. does this do either of them any good? rick santorum is out front. and julian assange is out front to answer critics and our questions tonight. let's go "out front." >>> good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett, outfront tonight, an early christmas miracle. or at least the glimmer of one today. barack obama bringing glad ti tidings of great joy to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> i will go anywhere and do anything it takes to get this done. it's too important for washington to screw this up. >> and john boehner, not to be outdone, put a little early present under the tree too. >> i'm optimistic that we can continue to work together to avert this crisis and sooner rather than later. >> these are pretty glum faces to deliver those presents. no smile from either one of them. but investors didn't care, they're excited about the present,
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about whether the consumer has any of the same concerns about the fiscal cliff or anything else. >> it was a tick up that was going upward. and it came off a little bit the initial readings. so maybe a little bit of cliff is sinking into the consumer. but when we checked on on four key metrics, wages, unemployment, housing and what was the fourth one, debt levels, consumer is in better shape this year than last year. >> what is the chance that right now we haven't lost confidence among consumers and so people are out there this thanksgiving weekend buying, maybe next weekend they're buying, but as the fiscal cliff conversation really hits a ahead in mid-december, that somehow confidence starts to drift. >> seems like an upper income kind of concern given the volatility of the stock market. mass market, as long as they're living pay dlek to paycheck, they're buying for their kids. christmas doesn't stop because of what's happening in washington. >> i think consumer sentiment can be fragile. it's curious that it hasn't sunk in more now and maybe that's because it has not been a na
thanksgiving strikes us, one is the fiscal cliff. charles, you getting the same feeling i am, a more collective will to try and avoid falling off this cliff and get a deal done perhaps sooner rather than later? >> i absolutely do believe that. i believe that, you know, obama had the stronger hand, because if nothing happens, you know, no one wants that to happen and, in fact, the clock is ticking in that direction, and everybody has an incentive to say let's cut some sort of deal. and i do believe that deal will eventually encompass both revenue increases and some sort of structural realignment of some of the entitlement programs, and i actually believe the american people put aside the right and left. the american people actually are desperate to see their government be able to work, to do something. to make it happen. to not go into another situation where we have another downgrade. that is the exactly the option of what we want coming out of this presidential election, where people i think spoke and spoke rather clearly that we're going to have a divided government, that the republicans will
over the entitlement programs should be waged after the new year once the fiscal cliff issue has been settled. >>> six minutes past the hour, new storms rolling into the northwest this morning. and that could cause dangerous flooding. alexandra steele is live in atlanta for us. what's going on? >> hey, good morning to you guys. we've got one storm that's gone and one storm that's a massive storm incoming. so let's start with this, all you guys in new york city had snow, for sure, but right now we certainly don't. this has all moved offshore. this was just the rain, but what was left behind? actually black ice there this morning. places like new jersey, six inches of snow. chester, new jersey, five. you can see sunbury, pennsylvania, three. 2 1/2 in mill brooke. the hudson valley and portions of connecticut are seeing black ice as a factor. take it slow, especially the elevated surfaces with temperatures so cold. story number one. story number two, a mammoth storm, this is the water vapor. what you need to see with this is look at this huge trough off the coast. all this moisture is po
to say, raise taxes or lower spending or going off the fiscal cliff. where are you? and how do you feel about tinkering with medicare and medicaid? >> look, i think we've got to put aside all of the sacred cows and really got to be willing, as dick durbin said, sit down and negotiate and come up with a plan, a long-term plan that's balanced, that looks at the domestic side of the budget, the defense side, the mandatory programs, and the revenue side. and if we're willing to do that, then i think we can get an agreement. but i think to go to the tax issue that you were talking about earlier, there are really two issues there. one is the amount of revenue that needs to be raised. but the other question is a fairness question. and if we're asking people to accept the sacrifices that they're going to be making if we're cutting spending in areas that are going to really affect middle class families and others, then we've also got to be willing to ask those who are doing the best in this country to share in that sacrifice. and what i've heard from people in new hampshire is they're willing to
. the big story tonight teetering on the edge of the fiscal cliff about 36 days to go until fax increases kick in. the white house and congress are playing a high stakes game of let's make a deal. president obama spoke with john boehner this weekend and expressed confidence the deal can't be reached before the deadline. that's what most americans want. in the the latest poll. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should make to each other is to avoid. >> you signed it 20 years ago, 18 years ago is for that congress. the world has changed. >> joining me now is the man in the middle of this storm, grover norquist. grover, welcome to you. >> good to be with you. >> you can't comply on the bounty the mutiny has begun: >> it's funny to watch a senator or congressman who got himself elected by promising the citizen of his state that he would go to washington to reform government and not to pay taxes. when the going gets rough he wanted to debt ceiling increase. the same cast of chakts are turns in the homework for the second tyne two years later and there's not a snowball roll
the affordable care act on the table in fiscal cliff negotiations. congressman elijah cummings will respond. papa john's plays politics with pizza and the people fight back. >> no, no, no, no. >> we'll tell you about the pizza maker's face-saving move. and republicans never rest. ohio senator turner on the effort to block the vote in 2016. >>> and political comedian, baratunde thurston on how to talk to this guy at thanksgiving. ♪ i want my country back, country back, country back ♪ >>> good evening, folks. thanks for watching. someone needs to sit down with the republicans and explain to them how negotiations work. when you have no leverage, you don't get to make outlandish statements and demands. house speaker john boehner recently called himself the most reasonable man in washington, but in an editorial for the cincinnati enquirer today, boehner took the very unreasonable position of including obama care in debt negotiations. "the president's health care law adds a massive, expensive, unworkable government program at a time when our national debt already exceeds the size of our country's e
and myself who are worried about the so-called fiscal cliff. lawmakers are returning to work in washington and they have just 37 days i believe it is now. there you can see. it's a daunting task if president obama and congress fail to reach a tax deal because that will mean huge tax increases and spending cuts would automatically kick in january 1st. today several key republicans backed away from a pledge banning tax hikes including senator lindsey graham and congressman peter king. are we inching closer to some potential compromise. athena joan has been following the fiscal cliff negotiations. >> martin, with congress returning this weekend, not much public evidence of any real progress on a deal the avoid the fiscal cliff. folks here in washington are wondering if this week will prove a turning point for republicans and democrats. members of congress expressed optimism sunday about the prospects for reaching a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. a series of tax increases and spending cuts next year that could do serious damage to the economy. they also sounded warnings. >> we can and must ge
. that was the dow. fearing the fiscal cliff approaching. since then it's been very quiet out of washington. we hear a push here arc nudge there, but nothing sizeable is happening. what does the market do, they put their pencils down. we're seeing volume, meaning who's trading. very low ahead of the fiscal cliff. and even though as you mentioned sentiment is that it's very unlikely that we will fall off the cliff, the market as i said, likes to be optimistic. they like to play the bull. and if we do end up falling off the cliff, it doesn't just affect defense spending. corporate ceos across the board are simply not spending money. they're not expanding. you're seeing capital expersondy turs. we could fall into a recession if, in fact, we fall off a cliff. most people don't think we will. we're really seeing no true signs of congress beyond a headline here, a headline there. >> as we've seen in this market time and began, what goes down always goes back up when it comes to wall street. even if we do see big drops leading up to a deal. >> absolutely. just today we spoke with a chief strategist this mo
finished relatively flat yesterday following a new warning from the central bank about the fiscal cliff. speaking to the economic club of new york, fed chair ben bernanke urged lawmakers to reach a deal to avoid the automatic spending cuts and tax increases. he said going over the fiscal cliff would pose a substantial risk to the economy. according to a new study the fiscal cliff could give 90% of americans new tax bills when the bush tax rates and some by president obama would both end. the working poor would be among the hardest hit. a tax policy center analysis showed a married couple making about $30,000 a year would on average go from receiving a $15 tax credit to owing $1400. >> wow. >> yeah. that's probably a reason to try and get something done? >> maybe we will. maybe we will. >> you would think. >> yeah. or maybe we can just talk about 2016. >> we could do that as well. how are you doing, willie? >> i'm doing well. >> good. just two weeks after the longest -- >> thanks for stopping by. >> doing well. >> you know, just two weeks after the longest, most expensive and exhausting
of the nation's top ceos, to lawmakers about the fiscal cliff. ceo of goldman sachs says what's in this deal is less important than just getting a deal done. >> going over the fiscal cliff, it will be very bad, hugely negative for the stock market, which is, you know, a source of people's wealth. people will feel poor. if we go over for a short period of time and adjust it, we can repair some of those things. but what you won't repair is people's attitudes towards the united states as a responsible debtor. >> washington playing with fire? >> yes. yes, washington is playing with fire. and you don't get -- it's not like a football game when you get the two-minute warning. they don't tell you when you have -- you only get one more chance. >> let's bring in robert, republican strategist and richa richard, a strategist. good morning to you, guys. he said if the retirement age goes up, it is secondary to getting an actual deal. so what does that say? i'll give that to you, richard, first. >> look, business leaders have actually been very strong in a balanced approach. some revenue, some entitlemen
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are now focusing on house republicans as talks to avoid going over that so-called fiscal cliff are picking up steam. joining me now, mark halperin, senior political analyst for "time" and msnbc and ruth marcus, columnist and editorial writer for the "washington post." to you, mark, what is your read about what we've been hearing the last couple of days about grover norquist, the pledge and how much running room the speaker does have to b negotiating a deal. >> i did a spit take with my fruity pebbles watching "morning joe" because eric cantor's tone was unlike anything i've ever heard. his office is saying oh, no, he's against raising marginal rates, but it's clear that in the scheme of things, the biggest piece is does john boehner have enough running room to strike a deal involving some new revenue. i still am of the belief that the vote in the house, which will be a cliff hanger no matter what happens amongst the leaders in the white house, it will be a tough vote. i think it will be a democratic buildup than a republican buildup. but there's no doubt that if eric cantor is willing to a
today. even though it is connected, there's another big issue. that fiscal cliff. and the president is certainly in fact-finding mode it seems. we've got 35 days to go before the new year. and that new year will bring with it more than $500 billion in tax cuts and spending cuts. mr. obama is in meetings with small business owners from across the country today. he is not, however, meeting with leaders of congress today. our dan lothian is watching the comings and goings at the white house. and at some point, dan, congress is going to have to either come together on this and work with the president on this, and yet we're seeing all these various different meetings all around the communities and the country. it looks like there's a particular strategy that's playing out when it comes to the president right now. >> reporter: that's right. a lot of negotiations have taken place in the staff -- on the staff level. the president himself did speak with speaker john boehner on the phone over the weekend. there was that meeting with the lawmakers, the leadership just before the president went
it with me, 35 days to avoid the dreaded fiscal cliff, the huge package of tax hikes and spending cuts set to take effect january 1 if congress and the president do not cut a deal. we're told they have been talking behind the scenes and president obama has already hosted congressional leaders for a post election sit-down. but the president is also launching a new pr effort, a campaign, some are calling it here, starting with the white house meeting today, of small business owners. then tomorrow, the president hosts more business owners and a group of middle class americans who would be hurt if the tax hikes take effect the first of the year. then friday, a campaign style stop in pennsylvania, a toy factory of all places, highlighting the importance of middle class consumers in this holiday season. but back in washington, senate leaders, they are speaking out. you have democrat harry reid saying the president won the election. and it is time for republicans to fall in line. meantime, republican mitch mcconnell not impressed with the president's plans to go back on the road. take a listen. >
board room a lot of hammering over the fiscal cliff. some 35 days away now. business leaders are calling for action. listen to this plea from the group the business round table. >> america's ceos have a message for washington. >> top priority for us is to advance policies that will get the u.s. economy growing again. >> the country has to have a higher rate of growth. that begins with addressing the fiscal cliff issue. >> so, bipartisan bottom line, right? not quite. you see those business leaders have a vested interest in which spending should be cut and which loopholes closed. and let's just say what's old is new again. alison kosik is at the new york stock exchange with a closer look. put this in language we can understand as people who are not ceos. >> many of these high-level ceos, carol, are part of this movement, this campaign to fix the debt we've been hearing so much about. this includes some of the biggest heads of business that are out there. and some have been more outspoken than others when it comes to what needs to get done to get a handle on the deficit. it also has a lot
with fiscal and ends with cliff. your uncle at thanksgiving will say we have to do something about that fiscal cliff and really we have to do something to fix our sky rocketing deficit. our national deficit that he will tell you has been going up and up and up like a rocket and spiraling out of control like a something going out of control and paul ryan is just so right and if congress and president obama do not do something to stop the sky rocketing deficit, to sop up the red ink, if they don't by new years or whatever the emergency is supposed to happen we will go flying off the fiscal cliff and not like these guys that mean to do that but more like cliffhanger cliff on the price is right for which going over the cliff is a dire mistake. you will hear this at thanksgiving dinner table. when someone inevitably brings up the fiscal cliff and how our sky rocketing deficit is a huge danger to us, do not crawl under the table. do not give up on thanksgiving. help your giant uncle understand what he is freaking out about is not true. it is easy. there are visual aids that might help. first of all,
fiscal cliff. u.s. congress and the white house have just 37 days left to reach a budget deal and stop more than $500 billion in automatic spending cuts and tax hikes from taking effect. a potentially big sticking point in those talks, that no new tax pledge of that more than 250 republican lawmakers have signed. athena jones us from the white house. two more republicans who signed the pledge said they would be open to tax hikes if they get other concessions. >> reporter: that's right, fredricka, and this is a bit interesting to see. they're talking about this pledge from the grover norquist group. he's the anti-tax crusader. his group has gotten the majority of republicans in congress to sign this pledge to oppose any effort to raise taxes in any way. so first we heard from a senator out of georgia, a republican, who said for his country he would break this pledge because if you stick to that pledge you won't be able to reach an agreement to bring down the debt. today we heard from south carolina republican senator lindsey graham and also from new york congressman peter king respondin
. >> the gop post election fallout continues on a couple fronts. >> the fiscal cliff is getting shorter and shorter. >> voters agreed with me on this issue. >> more than congressional republicans. >> we don't understand. >> americans didn't vote for dysfunction. >> the voters agreed with me on this issue. >> they voted for government that works. >> we don't understand why raising tax rates is the solution. >> can party leaders get a deal? >> impossible. >> all this talk about taxing the rich is nonsense. >> grover norquist. >> you speak of grover norquist. >> he's an entertaining warrior. >> pledge mentality is really on the run right now. >> speaker boehner clearly wants a deal. >> he can't have one arm tied behind his back. >> the top 1%, only 42% of the wealth. >> 48.5 million people lived below the poverty level. >> we should ask the wealthy to start paying their fair share. >> the american sense of fairness, no one should pay more than 25%. >> today's republican party has imploded. >> they are in denial. >> they are looking for someone to blame. >> grover is no longer speaking for
are watching both sides start to make their move. >> holiday cheer and fiscal cliff fears. >> of course, we're talking about the -- >> fiscal cliff. >> it does cause uncertainty. >> there's a great uncertainty. >> there's always uncertainty. life is uncertain. >> i think it's more of a slope. republicans possibly maybe -- >> growing number of republicans. >> looking to make a deal. >> and they would like one pretty quick. >> some top republicans suggest they could shock horror. >> the mythical grover norquist. >> break with their sacred pledge. >> to grover norquist. ♪ another one bites the dust >> nobody's turning on me. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. >> nobody's turning on me. >> it is not about that pledge. >> nobody's turning on me. >> it really is about trying to solve problems. >> i'm sorry, that's just silly. >> grover norquist is not jesus. >> he can't burn down your house. >> we would highlight whose kept their commitment. >> this guy's a political lone shark. >> nobody's turning on me. >> i will violate the pledge. >> nobody's turning on me. ♪ >> with 36 days until the cu
'll be able to work something out by the deadline. if we go off the fiscal cliff and all those good economic numbers turn south, the question is who's going to be blamed for this. a lot of what the president's doing now is making sure that he's not the one who's going to be blamed, that it will be the republicans. that, in turn, puts him in a better bargaining position. >> now, victoria, in 2004 president obama, after his re-election, said he earned political capital. but he wasn't able to accomplish some of his biggest second-term goals. let me show you what mr. bush had to say at that point. >> i earned capital in the campaign, political capital. now i intend to spend it. it is my style. that's what happened in -- after the 2000 election. i earned some capital. i've earned capital in this election and i'm going to spend it. >> but he spent it but he didn't get a lot of what he was trying to push done. is the president, by continuing to go out, continuing a campaign after election day, sort of learning also, not only from what he might not have done before, but what george bush and other in
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